difference in preventing that country going to civil war. i think one of the things that people forget now about it, which was just so extraordinary at the time was the immense pressure the man was under. i mean he had pressure from the international community to get this right. he also had pressure from his own party because there were many in the a.n.c. who were real hot heads who just wanted an armed struggle, who didn't want to negotiate with the whites. he had pressure from other parties. you remember the zulu leader. he was achieving at the bit. then there were the whites emselves, which were split down the middle between the moderates of declercq and ralph mayer, and the extremists of the a.w.b. he was juggling all these factions, and the fact that he managed to navigate his way through to an incredible outcome of an election, a very peaceful election, and then the transition to black majority rule without the whites really going up in arms, and also without the whites leaving the country, was an stob issuing achievement by him. >> to